8.15.2012

We Have to Talk about This


I believe Nicthommi would like to start.

32 comments:

  1. Personally I would have loved for N'Bushe Wright to play Nina. Let's be real. Hollywhite prefers Black women who look like Zoe. She's a safe negress. The kind of Black that white folks feel comfortable with. I wish Hollywood would just burn to the ground.

    I'm in a bad mood today. lmao!

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  2. It's a shame. It seems that the only dark-skinned with obvious African facial features black American actress who get roles in Hollywood till this day (or so) is Whoopy Goldberg. But what do I know, I barely watch (American) movies.

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    1. You know, Whoopi could probably pull it off too.

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    2. I thought so too.
      Oh and I meant that she seems to be the only one relevant with her dark skin in Hollywood movies now. I'm sure there were others in the past. Just clarifying, just in case.

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  3. Hahaha, someone beat me to it.

    I don't even know WHERE to start. We seem to be at a point where Zoe Saldana is Hollywood's favorite black chick. The only one that does not make white people throw up when positioned as a sexual choice. If we didn't see this over and over again and just focused on "skills" she just isn't mature enough or skilled enough as an actress to make this work. She LOOKS wrong, and while people keep throwing up the whole Denzel as Malcolm X, Zoe Saldana is not a female Denzel, and they ALWAYS go lighter/light when casting black actresses. It needs to be a singer who can act, or an actress who can sing or lip sync. WTF? Angela Bassett still looks damn good...she's at least moving in the right direction (although her features are kind of too fine to be Nina Simone as well).

    While I disagree with the commenters who want to attack Zoe's blackness b/c she is Latina (I'm so over that ignorance you just don't know), this is one more example of rampant colorism and Hollywood acting like there is only one black actress to consider for every damn role.

    Seriously, if you knew nothing about black women and started watching movies, you would think that the genes that cause dark skin don't occur in black females.

    N'Bushe Wright is gorgeous...I just watched Blade again recently. What I don't understand is that they act like these women are so hideous and no one would watch a movie if they were in it, but goodness, don't tell me that any functioning penis doesn't respond when most of these women walk into the room.

    Hmmm, other women that could do this...Phyllis Yvonne Stickney (sp?), Tyra Ferrell, Lauryn Hill (with pills and therapy although going through stuff probably helps for a role like this), and let's be honest, a LOT of these underused dark-skinned black actresses have real theatre training, went to places like Yale or Julliard, and they are getting passed over for this? B/c those are the ones who can pretend to sing or play the piano if necessary. Ridiculous.

    Oh, and India Arie is a good facial match I think...we tend to lump dark skin and broad features together and of course that's not accurate either.

    I'm getting kind of tired of less talented actresses getting all of work just b/c they are light. Or even talented actresses getting all of the work b/c they are light.

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      "Seriously, if you knew nothing about black women and started watching movies, you would think that the genes that cause dark skin don't occur in black females."
      I've always wondered why the wives in American (black or not)TV series were almost always much lighter than their husbands. Same for their daughters, with few exceptions.

      I don't know the other actresses you mentioned except Lauryn Hill, as I'm not American I'm really clueless about actors and actresses that are not all the time on TV/movies. There must be so many of them.

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    2. Regarding light black actresses paired with darker black actors, you will see almost the exact same thing in other media and animation. Sometimes it can be somewhat subtle. For instance I notice it every time I watch Oruchuban Ebichu and Shin Chan. The women are always a shade lighter than the men. Clearly lighter is deemed more feminine but I guess it may be some sort of sexist/colorist thing where women are meant to be seen as closer to goodness/lightness than men.

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    3. Seriously, if you knew nothing about black women and started watching movies, you would think that the genes that cause dark skin don't occur in black females.

      This irritates me to no end. Remember when dark-skinned Professor Banks on "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" was replaced by a light-skinned housewife?

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    4. I just re-watched Blade recently as well! N'Bushe Wright is a stunner and would be a better choice than Zoe.

      They're not going to do right by Nina and they're already showing it by casting Zoe. *sigh* So fucking sick of this shit. I wish Zoe would woman up and say no to the project. But she got a career to think about; though I believe this movie might send it careening in the wrong direction. Nothing good is going to come of this.

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    5. Yes, I remember when real Aunt Viv got replaced with fake Aunt Viv, and the whole thing was blamed on her attitude...imagine, a black woman being told she has a bad attitude...that NEVER happens.

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  4. Isn't this timely.

    I was just trolling another blog, and it was pointed out that Simone's daughter has poo-pooed the entire thing. I think the casting was just ONE of a slew of things that she found problematic about the project (apparently, her estate never green lit the film?).

    Here's what I don't understand: This film is not the kind of project that I imagine being commercially successful. Rather, it seems like the kind of thing that's tailor-made for critics/the award circuit. So why go with a lightweight like Zoe and not an "actor's actor"? Though lovely and not without her charms, can anyone fathom her carrying this off convincingly? Nina Simone?

    Viola Daivis: Juilliard trained? Check. Academy Award nomination? Check.
    *commence crickets chirping*

    My knowledge of the film industry is admittedly limited, but I just don't understand the calculation.

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    1. It's been written for a white audience. It'll be a movie to attend so they can feel "cultured."

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    2. I mean, I don't know what age Nina Simone they are talking about, but I mentioned some talented women, and another one who came to mind was Lorraine Touissant.

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  5. That's the million dollar question.Zoe looks nothing like Nina..I think that the producers was making movie about her daughter instead of her.Anyways..it wouldn't seem right for Zoe to play Nina.I just get disgusted at Hollywood for this.When you cast a person into a role that doesn't fit them,it can take something from it..at least for me it does.hollywood does this a lot. I have a feeling that if this movie was made with Zoe,people are going to talk unfavorably about it.

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    1. Maybe this is one of those films designed to ruin her career. 'Cause Lord knows this film won't do her any favors.

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    2. Agreed. It's not meant to help her career and if she takes the time to really think about this movie, she wouldn't do it.

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    3. She lucked out with the Start Trek franchise. She needs to just quit while she's ahead.

      I mean, it ain't like she's broke.

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  6. Oh, HollyWTF. Never change. Really. You're saving me from debt and grief with your questionable decisions.

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  7. I'm so over this shit!!! Fuck Hollywhite and their colorist, racist bullshit!! There are other black actresses who would fit the role WAY better. No disrespect to Zoe, but this is looking like a crap year for her between this and that other ish.

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  8. Also I don't know if anyone said anything, but I think Mary J Blige, who as far as I know is not a seasoned actress, is supposed to play Nina. And Zoe is supposed to play her daughter, though I still don't really see the resemblance, at least based on a childhood photo.

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  9. This is what Nina's daughter Simone had to say below about the unauthorized movie:

    http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/nina-simones-daughter-finally-speaks-project-is-unauthorized#

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    1. So they're straightening out a gay man just to add romance to this 'biopic'? HAHAHAHAHAHA...oh my goodness! How much worse can this project get?

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  10. OK you know what. This right here is making me CRY. I too wish Zoe would woman up and decline the role and say exactly WHY she is doing so. Because we all know she KNOWS this is some wrongness happening. I am just about speechless. Nina Simone figured so large in my life I can't even begin to explain it. Someone needs to call up Akosua Busia or have Judith Jamison play her - SOMEONE! We good with the lip synching thing like in the Tina Turner movie.

    Heaven help me but this is a sad sad thing. Nina's life and how it was shaped and how she came by her music was a huge part in Amerikkka's reaction to her NOT looking at ALL like Zoe thank you very much. This hurts in so many ways I just can't hardly type right. Please don't let this happen oh PLEASE.

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    1. If that movie comes out, I'm so not watching it and I hope that others will follow suit.

      I agree, Zoe should turn down this role of she knows good and well that this is an inaccurate portrayal of Nina. As much as I respect Zoe being in Hollywood, I wouldn't respect her as much for being in this role. It's an insult for Nina and her legacy.

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    2. Indeed.

      I found this:
      http://www.change.org/petitions/jimmy-iovine-cynthia-mort-replace-zoe-saldana-with-an-actress-who-actually-looks-like-nina-simone

      I hope that might be of help to try and channel some of this helpless anger and sadness about this right now. I am SO done.

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    3. At this point, I'm more pissed that they're shoehorning an unnecessary and fallacious romance into the plot more than I am about Zoe's casting. Don't get me wrong, they still get a side-eye for that ('Ladies Sings the Blues' all over again), but this whole project sounds like a mess. Best they put it down, and let someone who actually respects Ms. Simone's life and work take up the challenge.

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    4. Amen. Just when I thought this project couldn't get anymore worthless, I learned about Clifton Henderson.

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  11. I heard about that, and I was confused. She looks NOTHING like Nina Simone, and not saying she wouldn't be able to portray her based on looks alone, but really? Why not someone like Viola Davis?

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  12. Fuck Cynthia Mort:

    "Cynthia Mort, a White American television producer, is the writer and director. She has worked on the television shows “Tell Me You Love Me”, “Will & Grace” and “Roseanne”. She was Jodie Foster’s girlfriend.

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    "The Nina Simone estate, directed by Lisa Simone Kelly, Simone’s daughter, is against the film in its current form: it shows a made-up love affair between Simone and Henderson. Henderson was openly gay. She likes Saldana as an actress but prefers Viola Davis or Kimberly Elise to play her mother. She owns the rights to some of Simone’s songs, but apparently not enough of them to stop the film from going forward: Mort blew her off."

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