1.19.2013

Bitchfest

We haven't had one of these in a loooooooong while.  The topic on the table here is career.

Got tips?  Complaints?  Got a new job?  Think of getting a new one?  Share!


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    1. 'm actually going to start some career training program. working at Publix while going to college just isn't going to cut.

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  2. Mid-Career Professional Currently In Transition...

    Looking for a PT job/contract/temp job is ridiculous these days because they're very skill-specific. Gone are the days when you could go to a temp service and get a receptionist/data entry gig. Nowadays, you've got to have a particular set of skills, like my boy Liam Neeson talks about in Taken.

    For example: PT, Retail Sales/Mgmt, Collateral Clerk, Hospice Nurse, Chain Accountant, Wellness Coach, OR Nurse, Pharm Tech, Oncology Ops Support...things like that.

    Receptionist? Data Entry Clerk? Office Assistant? No; not available by a long shot.

    I have no interest in entry-level anything 'cause I'm too damn old for that ish. I'm not interested in call centers or customer service cause I don't do well with people and I'll get fired the first day. All I need is a quick, easy transition job to see me through until I can relocate.

    As Khujo from the Goodie M.O.B. once said, "I keep lookin' for JOB but JOB seem not to like me..."

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  3. After reading the Bianca White experiment in which Yolanda Spivey pretended to be white and suddenly started getting job offers out the wazoo, I'm convinced there's no point in trying to change jobs at this juncture.

    I'm so tired.

    I've been filling out applications, going to interviews, and refining my resume so many times that I'm just exhausted. There's no point in trying to get a good career. I'm not destined to have one in this lifetime it seems.

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    1. I feel your pain. Saw a job ad that would be decent for my purposes. My bff looked at it and said, "You'll have to dumb down your resume."

      Like you, I'm tired. I'm trying to remain in my field of expertise mainly because I'm good at it, I like it, there are some good perks and it satisfies any latent mommy tendencies I may still harbor. But even with that, it's hard finding the gig you want. At this point, I don't need to take a job I'll leave in less than a year.

      So here is hoping that for both of us, Soror Ankh, that our little project will give us exactly what we want in terms of our career expectations and livelihood.

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    2. If I win the lottery I'm gonna start handing out business loans to black women. We need our own companies.

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    3. If I win the lottery I'm gonna start handing out business loans to black women. We need our own companies.

      Preach.

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  4. I feel everyone's pain. I worked at my job for 13 yrs and because of course State budget cuts my jobs contract got cut, so I was one of the people who had to leave and that was the end of September. My skill set is in Tech (Help desk, database admin, not excluding doing administrative assistant work). For the most part the Tech side is still doing good because people will always have problems with computers but most of those jobs are either temporary or contract. And I am not doing Entry Level.

    This past week my old job ask me to come back temporarily because someone has to go on medical leave and they are not sure if that person might come back.

    To get a good gig you need to know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone...As they say, which is about how most people get the positions.

    Can a sista win the lottery?! I don't even play it, but damn!




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  5. Has anyone thought about moving over seas for job opportunities? Two of my sisters(who are from Nigeria) one moved to Dubai with her husband who works for one of the oil companies to one of the United Arab Emirates cities and the other one moved to Madrid, Spain because of her job.

    The sister that moved to Dubai said it is plenty of opportunities down there, she said a lot of American's are coming there to work and the money is tax free. So i am going to checking into that and see what I can find and visit.

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    1. It is my intent to move abroad this summer and continue my career as an educator. I've interviewed with schools in Dubai & Abu Dhabi, but nothing will come through/be available until the summer. You can get a good gig, especially if you're single with no kids: free rent, utilities, round-trip ticket home per year, full benefits...AND A TAX-FREE SALARY.

      The thing is, you have to be willing to leave what you have behind.

      Acquaintance of mine said she has a driver and a maid and she ain't ever coming home. Oh yes, I will be living abroad by this time next year. The only reason why I haven't left yet is because there are some tasks I have to complete before I'm free to leave.

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    2. Single- Check

      Kids- none- Check

      Leave what I have behind (besides my family)-Done deal.

      Amaya what sites were you looking on for jobs down there? I have been on these two:

      http://www.learn4good.com/jobs/language/english/list/country/united_arab_emirates_uae/

      http://www.aljazeerajobs.com/?utm_source=googleadwords&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=uae&utm_campaign=secondary&gclid=CM_ir-Lc97QCFckWMgodPSgA3A



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    3. @Meanie,

      I signed up with some recruiters. I'd do it immediately if you're interested and serious, because they're already preparing for 2013-2014. I'm with SeekTeachers, Carney Sandoe and Academics Ltd. Just google them. I've done some Skype interviews and phone interviews.

      I'm also signed up with DoDEA. Got friends in Korea, Okinawa, Italy & Germany. Yeah, they're not coming back. But with DoDEA, you have to start out in Asia before you can relocate to Europe unless there are positions available.

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    4. @Meanie,

      Email me through my blog and I'll tell you some specific things you're going to want to know.

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    5. Are there any non-teaching positions available?

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  6. I've heard about that. It was my cousins friend that told us about it. He's down there on a business trip.He seems to be liking it there.I'm still trying to envision myself on an airplane as I'm afraid of heights(How I hate the phobia I developed getting stuck on an elevator.Still working to get out of that one day at a time) because I've always wanted to go there, Japan, Senegal (a good friend of mine invited me to come there) Costa Rica nd France. My cousin will be going to London this year and my brother is trying is trying to save to go to Japan or Brazil. They aren't afraid of heights.It's in me to go out of the country and I promise myself that I will do it.I wouldn't want to be old regretting what I didn't do.

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  7. I'm going to bitch about going to a birthday dinner for someone I knew in grad school (Nigerian), and the only white guy felt the need afterwards to suggest that the Senegalese girl who he thought was pretty got that way b/c she was "part-French." I'd never met her before but I'd bet a paycheck that is 100% not true. I'm so tired of any positive traits that black women have being ascribed to their ancestors having been raped by white people. Our African cousins look just fine without that, and I consider it a source of pride that I still got nice dark brown skin despite having that in the family tree.

    My jobs rant is just being the most educated person in my group, and if you went there, probably in my building but working for a white man who likes to act like I need extra supervision, and how he's convinced everyone that it's the case, to the point that I'm going to have to leave the company. I don't like how he was able to erase my first 18 months there and start this shit, but yeah, it's where we are. I'll go ahead and say I have 3 degrees, 2 of which are masters, all from very elite (top 5/Ivy) league schools. But yeah, let's pretend like I'm the dumb one when I have co-workers who can't use Powerpoint or Excel, or when I have to reach across functions and do work for people who can't do their jobs. And I get to be a scut monkey for project leads who don't know how to properly outline their work and then have us scrambling with new tasks and changed directions b/c they don't know that what they do isn't working until it's started. I'm not going to bore anyone with the details of project management but again, funny that they get promoted and put in charge of things when they don't know the first thing about it, and my jerk boss pretends that I don't know how to plan/manage things (which is hilarious considering my resume/education. Only a racist could come to that conclusion).

    You'd be amazed at the level of "low-tech" and positively stupid people who get to work in hi-tech companies. Basically, in the 80's and 90's, the Silicon Valley was for the people out here what Detroit was for Black people in the 20th century. If you wanted a good job in the heydays of the tech industry, you only needed a pulse, so a lot of people are execs b/c they were there when the company had 100 people, and when they couldn't hire fast enough. I was TOLD that at one point you had companies hiring 1000/week. Anyone could get a job in some of these tech behemoths. And once you have one on your resume, you can always get into another, esp. if you are exec b/c we know they don't do work, so not being able to read email stops being an issue b/c you can make your admin do it.

    Black people are never allowed to have high-paying white color jobs when they don't have the skills or education to back it up. White people can. And they'll keep those jobs through layoffs too. I laugh b/c people suggest that the layoffs week out low performers. Hardly. The same incompetent people I worked with before are sitting pretty. But I know under my current leadership where I'd wind up if it happens again.

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    1. I was right there in working in HR during all that hi-tech dot com mess. We spent money like it was growing on trees to wine and dine and fly peeps out from all over the country to entice them to work for us. I won't go into the all paid relocation packages either. And I got a good look at these people's CVs. "you only needed a pulse" barely even covers it.

      I also got a look at these people's salaries too. I was right under the lady running HR, and writing up all the company policy documentation and other essential things - remember this was a startup - so I was pretty much starting things up from scratch. In comparison to my actual duties and what I was responsible for, looking at everyone else's compensation to my own - the only Black person on staff - I know I got jacked.

      I look back over my job history - I won't say career bc goodness knows I TRIED for decades to have one - and that was the highest paying gig I have ever been able to get, and it was barely 40K/yr. And twice that was the average they were handing out like hotcakes to anyone who barely fit their job profiles. I had originally come in as a temp so I should be grateful and happy they threw me the crumbs I got when they wanted to hire me fulltime right?

      All my life I've been chronically underpaid, overskilled, and unemployed. And it just KILLS me to read on that link K gave - the Bianca White one - to read about that girl right from college getting a near six figure gig when she walked in for a entry level position.

      It took me over eight months to land a decent job after graduating and even then it was (what came to be) the usual bullshit gig you grab so you can eat and pay rent while trying to get on a career path. Over those early years when I was still young and fairly naive I used to think it was because I had little or no experience tho my skillset was Teh Awesome. I would tell myself oh its in the middle of the recession (early 1990's), so its tough for everyone. I would tell myself well its because I'm a single woman and well you know the unwritten rules of HR (which I knew VERY well), that demographic will prolly catch a husband and get pregnant and leave the job, so why invest in her?

      So I'm working on getting my TEFL and all that certification and I'm on the road to moving out of this country. I encourage you all if you can, look into working and living ELSEWHERE. Go where you are celebrated, wanted, and know your value most of all. Seems like America isn't interested in what we have to offer, so find somewhere that does. Too bad I didn't learn my lessons decades ago before being beaten and battered against the rocks, but even if you are, and even better if you are still young: get the hell out while you can!

      Don't end up like me, and so many of our Sisters, half-crazy, health all broken down, spirit damn near killed, and heart broken. You got options. Exercise them. Research, look into it. We sometimes can't help falling into that American trap that doesn't allow for us to look beyond the borders of this country. Believe me, I know, despite my years of living in other countries growing up, I let myself be lulled by the siren song of the American Dream.

      Despite our history of being here in this country even before there was an "America" to speak of, we are still not considered citizens. So take stock of your own personal history - work and otherwise - and let that be your spring board to starting to broaden your horizons and wake up to the opportunities beyond the United States. We didn't ask to come here, and I ain't askin anyone if I can leave. There is a wide wide world out there, and I pray that we all find where we truly belong.

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    2. You aren't lying about that...I regularly remind recent immigrants who want to say America=white that most of the white people I know were still in Europe when my first ancestors touched down in the US. I regularly go there. Don't make them the default when a lot of them didn't get here until the mid to late 19th century, or early 20th century.

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    3. All my life I've been chronically underpaid, overskilled, and unemployed. And it just KILLS me to read on that link K gave - the Bianca White one - to read about that girl right from college getting a near six figure gig when she walked in for a entry level position.

      Yvonne Spivey talked about how white folks are simply saving the jobs for other white folks, and not the most competent folks. This is going to keep the American economy in its well-deserved rut, while driving POC across borders to basically improve and uplift other countries.

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    4. That is very true...I recently got turned down as unqualified to work FOR a white guy 10 years younger than me who had only a BS to my BS, MEng, and MBA. He was heading to b-school but apparently got an offer that he "couldn't refuse" (no one ever pays us not to go to school unless we can throw a ball into a hoop or catch football), so he was able to skip ahead to being manager in a new, well known company. Why waste time in school when you can get promoted in and up in one swoop?

      So yeah, he didn't have to have the degree or experience to be made leader of a new team but my 3 degrees aren't enough for me to qualify to work for him.

      I don't know how people even can open their mouths to tell you this b/c now with Linkedin, you can (and I always do), look up the backgrounds of everyone I talk to/interview with. So yeah, I find white women who again, are "qualified" to have these tech jobs with English degrees from 2nd tier Universities. Not that anything is wrong with non-elite universities, I'm just saying, the bar is much, much lower for them. I have 2 engineering degrees but struggle to find another role in my area of expertise, and this team had multiple members with humanities
      degrees. They are apparently clever enough to learn everything on the job. I have to be 10 years qualified in technology that is only 4-5 years old or it's no dice.

      You have to love America. I don't think it's better overseas though. The discrimination is a lot more blatant and in some countries they can say "no blacks" and that is okay.

      I don't have an ethnic name, but yeah, I can tell that based on the resume, the schools I went to, and phone conversations, people are not ready for "black girl" to walk through the door for that last round of interviews.

      As Jojo said, everyone thinks that people out here are from top schools and know computer science and engineering. I'm a rarity having those qualifications, but somehow always unqualified. It is ridiculous.

      But true, white people are very good at pulling their friends in and up, b/c I've had classmates get the jobs I got turned down for on less qualifications too, but the difference is that I just know the person on the inside from class, but they are good friends. It's like they build a set of stairs for each other, then when they see you approaching, they knock them down and throw down a rope that is 10 feet too short.

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  8. I'm so pissed off b/c if I was project lead and left things out and changed direction I would be in so much trouble. This asshole keeps a record of stuff like this since everyone else is so perfect and I'm so low-performing. I shit you NOT. So if I was in charge, he'd be documenting any changes I made as proof that I didn't know how to work.
    But the lead of this project is a white man, so the many fails are totally ignored and when we are done, he'll probably get a huge high five on his awesome work.

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  9. It's suddenly occurred to me that I've applying for jobs - seriously applying - since I was an undergraduate in college. Keep in mind, I finished grad school almost 5 years ago.

    Everything since has been nothing but bullshit.

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    1. Yes, and in that time, you have white chicks who get married, have kids, quit for 5-7 years, and get welcomed back with open arms and with a higher job title for the time they spent wiping baby bottoms. It is ridiculous. Second most common line I hear after "I can't believe I got this job" when talking to the white women they've already hired is "Yeah, I was at home for X years and decided I was bored, so I applied here." Or, "my husband got a job here so I applied to." They refuse to acknowledge how much of a leg up they get just b/c they are the ones married to/sleeping with the bosses.
      I mean, I respect the lady but even Hilary Clinton is a politician now instead of a lawyer b/c of her husband. I mean her first time running for office ever and she's a US Senator? And then sec't of state? And they are still crying that she's not president. Yet you would be loath to find a white woman who will ever admit that (they'll screech, but she's a lawyer, she went to Yale. And I'm like, whatever bitches, I went to the same kind of school and you wouldn't let my ass be a Senator; I'd be "unqualified")...

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  10. I am an international grad student in the U.S. and for all those PoC disillusioned with the "great white American Dream" (and rightly so) I really do encourage you to look into working internationally. Despite all the meddlesome shit the U.S. carries out in other countries, an American citizenship/U.S. passport is still prized in so many parts of the world. Not only are USians less likely to be exploited and underpaid, visa restrictions/application processing are also much more lenient for U.S. nationals in many places. Some nations don't even require U.S. passport holders to obtain a visa before entry (I think this can be for up to 3 months in various countries, but I'm not 100% sure). This means that a lot more jobs around the world are available to North American citizens than people of other nationalities with the same qualifications and English proficiency (and white people have wasted no time in using this to their benefit). I really hope more USian PoC will take advantage of the weight that their citizenship carries in the world. As for jobs, the development sector is perhaps an area to look into, as well. I used to work in India (where I'm from) and we had so many American nationals (though, not too many PoC, and I hardly ever came across black women) contributing (and getting paid handsomely) to domestic and international non-profits.

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    1. I guess our biggest concern is where we can find out how folks will react to black women from the US.

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    2. I would have to agree on that. I've been trying to ferret out more specific info on that in regards to France - which is my destination of choice. A good resource has been hunting down websites and blogs from Black women living and working overseas and asking them directly via whatever contact points they have on their sites.

      http://lifebehindthewall.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/reader-question-black-women-abroad/

      A good place to start. One of the comments has info on a weekly twitter chat with Black women expats.

      "You have to love America. I don't think it's better overseas though. The discrimination is a lot more blatant and in some countries they can say "no blacks" and that is okay."

      I would much rather someone just up and tell me NO BLACKS. This underhanded, unsaid, closeted racist crap I've been getting all my life from American employers has only served to drive me certifiably crazy. Had me questioning my education, my self-worth, my skills, what I had to offer etc. Coulda saved me years of heartache if I had known it was merely my abundance of melanin.

      There ARE many places on this planet where WOC particularly Black women are welcomed, or at the very least not systematically discriminated against. We have only to find them. My place might not be your place, and vice versa, but that certainly doesn't mean there aren't any out there.

      This link is just beautiful and speaks to exactly that:
      http://www.expatica.com/nl/life-in-netherlands/blogs_photos/Being-a-black-woman-abroad_16991.html

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    3. I would much rather someone just up and tell me NO BLACKS. This underhanded, unsaid, closeted racist crap I've been getting all my life from American employers has only served to drive me certifiably crazy.

      Me too. Saves us both a lot of trouble.

      There ARE many places on this planet where WOC particularly Black women are welcomed, or at the very least not systematically discriminated against. We have only to find them. My place might not be your place, and vice versa, but that certainly doesn't mean there aren't any out there.

      Exactly. America doesn't want Americans to leave. Have you ever gone to Google just to read news? Every international headline decries some atrocity or catastrophe, making it seem like taking a single step outside of the US would automatically mean death.

      It's all about finding out where you'll be welcomed - and there are such places - and then trying to go there.

      I'm looking at Ghana as well which, by the way, is more than welcoming towards Black Americans with its reparations projects.

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    4. I have been thinking about Ghana too for those same reasons. This is where I'd start: http://www.oneafricaghana.com/
      Looks like the perfect place to heal, feel welcomed and network towards living and working there.

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    5. Jojo, if you want some help with French language, I'm here, since you're looking for jobs in France.

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    6. Hey thanks Myra! Je parle francais en petit peu but caint type it for ish lol The lingo is the only part of my move I'm not worried about. There is a nice lil local Francophile community here that I'm checking out too. Fun conversation meets, classes and events and whatnot.

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    7. That's cool! The Francophile community sounds great to practice :)
      Bonne chance!

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  11. Can people get up off the First Lady's hair? Chick is bad and fly to the core and people want to act like she's not a proud black woman b/c she wears a straight hairstyle?
    I'm like, how about you duplicate some of her accomplishments and they start talking?

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  12. I left my former position because I got tired of the foolishness and being unappreciated. I asked for another prep in addition to chemistry, didn't get it. Was teaching gifted kids and rocking that shit until a perky WG fresh out the damn university (w/o the gifted certification or Master's or years exp) joined the faculty and they gave it to her. Big difference teaching gifted kids and mainstream kids.

    The principal, aware of my particular needs, allowed me to leave during my planning on certain days so I could maintain my health. Mind you, there was documentation in place. The AP over my department decides he wants to make it an issue and made my life hell that last year...and the principal sided with him. I filed a harassment suit, but really...

    Then kids sabotaged the classroom; broke the sink and turned on all the gas jets while I was away at a conference. 3 adults in the room...and I got blamed. Can't teach chemistry without water or gas and I hate to lecture. So I phoned it in Spring semester because I knew I had to leave that place.

    When you pull up into the parking lot of your job in tears and your best friend has to encourage you to get out of the car...and when you get home, you start drinking...clear indicators that you have to make a significant life change. My mother busted her ass so I wouldn't have to put up with this sort of bullshit. So I took a leap of faith, and even though my salary has been significantly reduced, I am so much happier and in a better place mentally than I would be had I stayed at that school.

    There are many people who will dissuade you from making a life change, especially if it seems risky. Most folks are inclined to play it safe, and yet are leading lives of quiet desperation because they feel they've missed their chance. I refuse for that to be my life and I'm convinced that if I got a job at yet another school in my state of residence, one of three things will happen:

    1. Be institutionalized and heavily medicated.
    2. Be sporting orange dickies and flip-flops, braiding girls' hair on the block
    3. Be dead.

    Not in this lifetime, no ma'am. Insanity means doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results. If you want a change in your life, you must change your life. High risk, high reward...and I'm betting everything on what happens within the next six months.

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  13. Nice new layout for the blog :) I like how violet and green (for the BN blog) are strong yet cool colors.

    Well, hm I have not much to say, I'm heading to the same direction as you ladies, working abroad is my goal, either short term or long term. My country is not that bad, but I need to get actually fluent in the foreign languages I'm good at if I want to do a very good job as a translator in the (hopefully near) future.

    Good luck ladies! :)

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  14. I'm currently freelancing as an illustrator, but I'm making sure I step up on my financial and business education - the stuff they don't teach you in school. I'm not taking any structured classes right now as I'm too broke for that, but I'm gleaning what I can from a number of free resources on-lines. I'd rather start off slow and build on what I'm learning as I go, than rush into something and fall flat. The job market is worse than anemic here in JamRock. As a friend suggested, and I have no doubt that he's right, a lot of businesses are waiting for the new tax package/the IMF* discussions to hit the fan before they make their next move which includes whether or not they hire any one at all.

    *A huge pox on the previous Government administration for putting us back into the IMF's clutches! >_<

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    1. Free resources for business and financial education? Any recommendations?

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    2. The articles on Entrepreneur.com are pretty good, and they also have a feature called ProjectGrow that focuses on start-ups, and how different people tackled various growing pain aspects. LearnVest.com is a woman-oriented financial and investment site; they have paid packages, but you can get their articles and a fair amount of their offered resources for free. Robert Kiyosaki's book 'Rich Dad Poor Dad' was what got me seriously think about (and learning about) investing. I'm still a far way from having any cash for a coach, but his articles on his Rich Dad site are also informative.

      Those are great places to start and believe me that many more will start popping up once you learn what to look for. Some people might scoff and say these are all very basic things, but they don't teach those in school at all. If you're in a creative field, I have more resources that are art/design-specific in their business advice approach.

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    3. Thank you very much! I'm in the writing field.

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    4. You're welcome! I'm not that familiar with tips for writers, but I know of a few places that you can check nonetheless: International Freelancers Academy, and Writer's Digest.

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  15. Should've remembered: when applying abroad, watch for scams:

    http://dubaiemploymenttips.com/scams/

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    1. Exactly. Anybody asks you for money, RUN! Real recruiters NEVER ask for money; they get paid from the employer, not the employee.

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  16. Well this is timely....I am pretty lucky I have worked in my field pretty consistently since leaving grad school. I am thinking over an offer which may come with the possiblity of leaving the states but having to start someplace new (new language etc...). I always knew I would not stay in the states for good but I had figured I would complete at least 25 years with the state and collect my retirement in a country whose cost of living is a heck of a lot lower than the states.....
    Sometimes it is so hard to leave this comfortable trap.....even when you know it maybe for your own good.

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    1. Slowly I am realizing that when I said the words "leave everything behind," it may mean doing exactly that. As in my furniture, car, and other things I've had for years, including the things I inherited from my parents. It's a lot to take in.

      However, I will not be denied a chance at a different life because I couldn't leave material things behind.

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