Tom's not gay. He used to date Carey Mulligan. His current gf is American.
I don't about Tom's sexuality and I could care less about it,but I enjoy Ichabbie just the way it is.Don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing romance on movies/shows, however SH..so far..is doing great without it and believe or not, that is a GREAT thing for Black actresses. I wouldn't want their success to just come from being in an IR/AMBW romance because if you keep doing it, it would show weakness.. to only use them only for that and nothing else. To me, true success comes from them being up and from and playing dynamically good roles , such as what Nicole and Tom are doing. If people are just looking forward to a show only for that, then the storyline behind it becomes useless. Good to have romance/story,but for Black actresses, some should take roles that are about them being leads but not always romantic.
SH..so far..is doing great without it and believe or not, that is a GREAT thing for Black actresses. I wouldn't want their success to just come from being in an IR/AMBW romanceI think most BW prefer this as well, however, the main reason we care about Ichabbie is due to the natural chemistry between the actors. If Ichabbie had the same lack of chemistry as Ichatrina, I don't think anyone would be shipping them so hard.
Exactly. Their chemistry is awesome. I don't think that woman get it.
And I do get what else she's saying; it's almost like Nicole's popularity is being used to boost Tom's career. If Sleepy Hollow tanks anytime soon and is canceled, his career is assured; hers is not.Oddly enough, I don't even find him as attractive out of costume. The minute he takes off the wig and shaves, I my mind wanders to my - er, our - other Toms.
Good point. I didn't think about that initially but is something to think about and it bothers me that the new cash cows could be at the expense of us.
In other news...
Here's what amuses me: this sistah so annoyed, so utterly disappointed with the way the show's going that her mind actually paused to consider Tom Mison's sexual orientation.On a less funny note, she's damn right: I had no clue who he was and did not tune in for him. And the only reason I pay attention to him now is due to the chemistry he shares with Nicole off and on the screen.
Like with Kerry Washington in "Scandal", I'm in support of Nicole Beharie being in a lead role and being a multidimensional character, I don't really care about the interracial romance on either show. As long as Olivia Pope and Abbie Mills remain focal points on their prospective shows everything find with me. I kind of prefer it if Abbie and Ichabod didn't get together romantically because the whole white man black women pairing might become another trend that once people get bored with it you won't see it anymore, like when a few years ago it "trendy" to have a gay character on tv shows. Now how many gay characters do you see? So if people start to get bored of seeing white men black women parings, which one out of those two you think we'll see less of? The chemistry between Beharie and Mison is great, to me sometimes friendship is stronger than romance anyway.
the whole white man black women pairing might become another trend that once people get bored with it you won't see it anymore, like when a few years ago it "trendy" to have a gay character on tv shows. Now how many gay characters do you see?GREAT point.Also, I personally don't care much for BWWM. Once I head Andy had unrequited feelings for Abbie, it sent me into full blown Blasian mode.
I just realized the POC lead actors ARE more well known than the white lead actors. Nicole Beharie, John Cho, and Orlando Jones, who doesn't know Orlando Jones?! Vs Tom Mison and whatsherface. If these writers have any sense and have heard of a little, now defunct, TV show called "Deception" (ironic, lol) they ain't gonna pull a bait and switch. Now that I think of it there has been many TV shows that have used well known POC actors and actresses to help launch careers of no name or not very known white actors and actresses. The ones that come to mind are; the three I mentioned above (Sleepy Hallow), Lucy Lui (Elementary), Kerry Washington (Scandal), Megan Good (Deception), LL Cool J (NCIS:LA), Taraji P. Henson ( Person of Interest) Nia Long (Big Shots) and many more. Except for Kerry and I'm little on the fence to wether Nicole is the actual lead, the rest play more of a supporting character on the shows. You'd never see Brad Pitt play someone's sidekick or Angelina Jolie play the BFF who has no life or even Katie Holmes, as homely as she looks, would never play a homely girl that all the guys ignore who has to fend for herself while always protecting everyone else, so why are our A-listers playing these second class roles?
so why are our A-listers playing these second class roles?Million-dollar question. Because if they don't, they don't work.A while back, a blogger commented about how TV was "wooing" black film actors (and as evidenced by actors like John Cho and Lucy Liu, not just black actors) and talked about all the benefits of working on TV: typically steady employment, consistent exposure, etc. But no one noticed that our greats were being propped up against their virtually unknowns/unpopulars.Sleepy Hollow is Katia Winter's big break, hence her determination. You want to know her prior claim to fame? Playing a stripper on Dexter.
Hence the reason she's all sexed up while condemned to purgatory. *pinches bridge of nose*
"Because if they don't, they don't work." True, but what I don't understand is if they are using popular POC actors and actresses as a lure, than the audience they are trying to lure in or at least the audience more likely to watch would be POC, unless they think we will watch anything as long as there are people that look like us on there. They obviously haven't learned anything from 'Deception'. It's almost like a catch 22, if they create a show with majority white cast minorities might not watch and if it doesn't stand out, whites might not watch. But if they create a show with majority POC cast whites may not watch but if the the POC characters are in supporting roles to a white character POC may stop watching. They need pick who they're marketing to and just cater to that group.
This is a classic case of America creating a problem it can't fix. I'll be honest; I prefer my TV with few to no white characters. Mind you, in the 1990s - early 2000s, that was not the case. I loved the the X-Files, Xena, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Frasier. But I also had The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Cosby Show, A Different World, Living Single, Martin, Moesha, Thea (if only for a season), Star Trek (when it was good), The Parkers, Half and Half, Girlfriends, a slew of black films, and host of beautiful R&B girl groups to choose from.Now...not so much. Now we have a thorough white saturation which has created an aversion. And normally, all-white shows would be ideal for the vanillacentric crowd, except they find themselves boring without their funny black friends, the Asian guy they regularly pick on, the Latino they can make fun of, etc and so forth.So Hollywood has a conundrum which defies its white supremacist agenda: create POC-filled media which will sell to POC and some white people, or continue to churn out vanillacentric media which will flop in theaters or get canceled during its first season.
I also loved Roseanne.
Yeah.You can make a tv show or movie with an all minority cast and sell to POC and few would raise an eyebrow. But most whites need non white people in their movies and tv shows either to play stereotypes to "entertain" them ( because minorities are so funny with their strange ways *sarcasm*) and make them glad they are white or to make them feel so liberal, inclusive and accepting ( somewhat ) of other groups ( because minorities characters can never be on the same playing field as the white characters) to make them feel less guilty about being glad they are white.
I loved me some George Lopez...his show. It was sooo relatable and crazy. He is a man who could be politically incorrect without offending people. George was just a magical comedian, but like most POCs, most suffered from so called "creative differences" (translation: we got to get rid of your show because it wasn't white enough.) I also liked his late night talk show.I hate that it's no longer on air. Now that(along with the other programs mentioned on here) is what you call quality programming.
And All-American Girl, starring Margaret Cho.
Man I miss Living Single. Also New York Undercover. The 90's really was the age of progressive TV.
I know, right? What happened?
A quote:“Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change." Megan Kelly: Santa Claus is White.This one line heralds the sentiment of millions of white people in this country. In a nutshell, just because Whiteness on television makes you uncomfortable doesn’t mean it has to change, so deal with it people of color. Conversely, the same goes for media portrayals of POC that make whites racially uncomfortable and yet the sad truth is when something makes whites uncomfortable They Change It. They’ll use their considerable powers/money and influence to amend the things They Don’t Like, then lock it down so that it can’t be messed with again. I’m so tired of white people claiming they “don’t see color,” or “race shouldn’t matter as long as the casting choices move the story along.” Then why are most actors of color cast as sidekicks to white leads in mostly white sitcoms or movies? If you don’t see color or race then why is the bulk of network/media programming so whitewashed? Time after time we’ve seen white people at their most racist when their beloved institutions are messed with. They’ll cry foul if the narrative doesn’t revolve exclusively around them. They flood public forums making xenophobic comments with many of them starting off with, “I’m not racist but…”White people have been conditioned through privilege to be central in any argument pertaining to race (please forgive my drift from the subject) even when its in a another country. White people living in Japan expect to be called Japanese (Not Gaijin) even when they don’t share distinct social-racial attributes of the people they live amongst. This makes white males particularly uncomfortable that they themselves are cast as the racial other after putting so much work into acclimating themselves. So because they’re uncomfortable with this status they seek to change it. As many white people have noted, being born of an American mother, speaking the king’s English (better than most whites) and becoming President of the United States doesn’t necessarily make you an American. Concordantly, whites expect to be called Native Hawaiian not Haole, forcing themselves into a culture that’s remarkably distinct from their own. So important is their centrality (be it popular entertainment, politics and/or religion) they fault the culture (for resisting white inclusion) rather than their own privileged mindset. So the reason we see so little representation of other races on Television is because whites can barely tolerate the few we see now.
So the reason we see so little representation of other races on Television is because whites can barely tolerate the few we see now.*bows*
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